Also glad to meet other linux-musician!

I am started with supercollider some days befor i made the comment, the installation is not as hard as i thought, because theres a plugin for gedit (gnome-editor).

I also use Debian-Unstable(sid) and i think its one of the best distros. Last week i tested gentoo but it takes too much time (Compiling gnome ca. 20h).

Theres also a own music-production Distribution based on Ubuntu , called Ubuntu-Studio heres the link http://ubuntustudio.org/ . Pretty good distribution.

I heard something that Ableton also comes for Linux, did you know more about that ?

Greetings from Austria and i hope you understand me because my english is not the best!

I don't think that a version will be released for Linux soon but, nerver know...

See Ableton's forum topic on Linux for details.

A lot of rumours are runing on the web but some problems of drivers are stopping linux approach for a lot of professional software editors (I use to get a VAIO in the past so I know it's true), even if it's always possible to install something, the fact of spending 2 weeks for using a software correctly is not efficient for a commercial software.

i will follow that story because i plain to migrate to FreeBSD in the future to make a web radio server but for sound on linux, it's hard to find what i'm loocking for.

nethertheless, a lot of VST are now working but that what i like in Ableton, i just got only one VSY for 303 (even if some good synth are included).

If i was a better programmer, i will develop a beatbox for linux but for the moment, i don't know how to manipulate sound in strong languages.

See ya -

 Theoretically what i think is:

 -you can avoid your pb of audio drivers with the asiosdk steinberg (free for one time but requires an inscript ... and no commeercial use)

 -did you try the API-Live kit in order to integrate better your live version in linux ?

 I would be surprise you couldn't reach your goal with these two development kits, if you know how to use them (me not yet, but the asio part is not such a drama and its tutorials about t very well done)

 I've seen one of my best friends spending months on this kind of ergonomy (at the time he ws doing a DIY reactable and finaly get into it)

Live has one of the most convenient and efficient core audio and code, though how and why would it be impossible ? And if Live is so stable under OSX, why would it be compilable into Linux ?

 I will switch on linux myself in a short while (i flip but it is factice !!). I tryed the 2.6 of ardour and even if the MIDI line isn't integrated inside of ardour, it is a way to transcode it in jack, that works now efficiently.

 I read the topic you recommand, and i am really on the ass. Linux is also used in the NASA (for coding to the most potent supercalculator of the planet) , the academics, and near everywhere PUBLIC  with an incredible stability and results.

 My opinion is "Just fuck merchants, we dont need those vultures": since i update my cubaseSX2 in cubase4 i lost the possibility to import/export mp3! Would you bielieve this, from a bug that they never updated, they just realeased a mp3 player, etc...

 But can you tell me what is the best distrib for a newbie linux, knowing not too bad MAO that whish to migrate: Ubuntu, Jack Audio Distrib (seems the ne for me) or the one reported in the thread upper (GNU). In practice, and despite the evolution of environnement, i know i will bite my tail for a while. But the step has to be done,concerning me NOW.

Thx u /

 Dok aka Keudal (albi - the asso "on bouge" has apparently mooved , hope nothing too grave)

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Yo G23ks :)

Thanks for the headz up on this one - im going to check out

 http://jacklab.net/jacklaborg/english/?Releases:LiveDVD-JAD-beta2_released

When i can get my DVD burner fixed... For the non too geeky here - this could be a nice option as you dont have to erase your machine to have a go - it just runs from the DVD instead...

Has anyone come across this as well?

http://dynebolic.org/

The orginal rasta :) distribution from http://rastasoft.org/

Dynbolyc is good but have not the same way that jackLab or 64studio (ex-agnula), more specialise for musician than multimedia users.

there is also SlackWare Audio Pack that i was using in the past but it need a lot of knowledge for install, configure and using it al the time, even if it is the must stable i met.

Really nice to see that n23 is deeply undergroud and unix Addicted!

Thaks for quality of the forum.

Greeting for France

Well yeah its interesting though. I have been shot down in the past by drawing paraells between the OS and free party movements (not on here though). I do think those similarites do exist and try my best to bring knowledge of these wether it be linux of something like drupal to those who may be unaware.

I think its the similar to myspace. The majority of people who use both windows and myspace have never given any thought to the forces behind them. Instead they see useful free (legitmely free for myspace, and 98% of the time illegaly free for windows) services/ products.

The tricky part to me is making a convincing case to leave. Ive tried with many different people to give them a live version of linux to use, but previusly nearly all attempt s have ended in frustrating failure.. simalry with myspace, you can rationaly explain to the punkest punk how newscorp will profit from each click on their profile, but when poeple find geniune benfits from sales, gigs or just a wider dispersion its hard to argue...

You're absolutly right !

not on here though?

Well, hard to know, strenght of both movements is weird knowledge and kind of initiatic state of mind that makes share and increase level.

I also think that the choice of an OS comes from a feeling of learning and discover, systems from BSD and Linux are based on security and stability, so users have a "resitant" approch of computer.

People take some keygen torrents for windows and beleive they're hackers...

The fact to give sound for free is just realistic, if someone think become rich with underground tekno via myspace, it's no more uderground, same difference between programmers, some makes freeware or cheap shareware, others makes expensive windows only applications.

You got great feeling man.

http://www.clearerchannel.org

It's true, the way we work is the way we live, that why we are lucky, even if most of us are poor or wont be really able to win a lot of money. Steve jobs is an exception, he did a Unix under acid with is friend and he's now rich, (for me is a kind of underground too because he ever felt down for his way of mind).

We just foolow a way as monks because we beleive in what we do more than what we are.

I've been inluenced too by a developper, the one that created Slackware, a really good feeling and everything now is maybe changing, computer are taking power face to the vintage TBz and TR and that's why paralells are more and more visible every day.

Not a lot of machines brand are able to share like opensource programmers, the evidence is that they dont have good website or software.

I dont miss my Roland machines no more, just the contact with the knobs in fact.

Is somebody got news about Quasimidi? I use to get one few years ago and tat was amazing, but no idea that what it became.

You got absolutly right! I know many Soundsystems that are involved in MySpace, nearly every Soundsystem in Austria got a fucking MySpace-Profile. They don´t thought over the background from Myspace and its also made for selfloving CapitalistsIdiots. I don´t understand it , if they want a Network they´ll should register right here, or?

I think Linux is also a feeling of Underground, because its for every human reachable, for free. If you look to the Project with the Laptops for Africa (with Ubuntu on it) http://laptop.org/map.en_US.html ,thats only possible because Linux exists and i think thats a really good Idea. So rise up Unix-punx ;)

Maybe we´ll should make a own Forum Topic with linux Software and maybe little Explantations for it ?

But then ya know, theres no deinite connection between the "underground" and being anti-corporate. The autonomus nature of freeparty can also be 'consumed' in a purely hedonistic manner.

its as wrong as it is to assume all gay people must be left wing simply becasue they are in a minority...

However.. (sudu rm -R /dev/windows) for real ;)

(sudo rm -R /dev/windows) for real ;)

Yeah , you got absolutly right. Its because i come from the autonomous scene and because that, my meaning was , that the tekno-scene is similary the same and must be also anti-corporated. Its was a Generalization and that was a failure.

So back to Topic.

no - dont take it as a personal criticism - i think its a very common belife.

Hell, it *should* be true.

:D No problem, i think it is quiet good to hear the meaning from other humans, because you´ll overthink yourself and/or your thinking. This gettin you more Objectively.

Yeah it should be true.

Interesting point of view

 if $label != 'tekno activist' {"su root rm -R /var/www/MAJORS; } else { print "Acces granted for$label"; }

Or something like that...

All tribes should be here, the fact is that many ravers are pretend to know everything about spiraltribe and consume a way of life, a preformated taste of sound that they discover and claim without understanding why they follow.

For all the soundsystems tht should be here, maybe some are not underground without knowing.

Linux was underground and became famous because it's free, i own a Slackware licence (really, i did pay 30euros few years ago because the project was close to quit).

Freeparty means free as linux, OPEN, so welcome for sharing and participating, evolving and growing. Free* Doesn't means, take what you want and escape.

Network23 have bean a chance for all tekno nation who where looking for an identity, something to belong, a community (even if not physical).

Same for an OS, using an Unix means put the hand in dirt and find or imagine solutions with others or alone, but with self implication, like for a freeparty or a soundsysteme, configuration is freedom, customizing our tools is the real groove.

G33Kpride!

// parallel between groovebox and Linux

If everybody use the same because famous users got use that, it become a fashion, finding his tool and surround is what i like in OS like in freeparty, we are not rock band that run after the same sound, some love nature, some enjoy industrial and others are purely temporary and random.

Rich ideas are coming here, i'm very happy of that 'illuminated' or enlighted share of point if view.

Yes, we don't have a "Network23 quality waranty", it's more exiting like this.

 Very smart lines and code.... agree 10000%

HS: we'll have to (continue) to moove (stronger) against this numeric law, ourbest FMs are in a furious danger (certain working from the 80's) othz we will have to learn how to bind a walky-talky.

Certain know already, its never too late.

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